Why Messy is Good and Structure is Overrated

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Why Messy is Good and Structure is Overrated

HR Heretics

Dec 13, 2024

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Ever wondered why your HR team feels like a bunch of separate countries? Tune in as Kelli and Nolan reveal why mixing your People Ops like finger paint might be the secret sauce to scaling – and why that messy feeling means you're actually crushing it.

Discover how top HR leaders transformed from "the team in the corner" to invaluable business partners – and how you can, too.

*Email us your questions or topics for Kelli & Nolan: hrheretics@turpentine.co

For coaching and advising inquire at https://kellidragovich.com/

HR Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:21) Dear Heretics Question: Cross-Functional HR Collaboration

(01:11) The Missing Link in HR Teams

(02:42) DoorDash's GM Model & Early Learnings

(04:36) The Weekly Business Review Magic

(05:13) Building One Cohesive HR Experience

(07:09) The Color Gradient Approach to HR

(08:01) Sponsor: Metaview

(09:42) Pod Structure: SWAT Teams for People Ops

(10:38) Embracing Regular Reorgs

(11:44) Why Messy HR is Good HR

(12:29) Mobility as a Silo-Breaker

(13:05) Wrap

Discussion about this podcast

“HR Heretics” | How CPOs, CHROs, Founders, and Boards Build High Performing Companies

After a decade+ of “blitz-scaling” companies, HR, talent, and People leaders now face an uncertain economy that has already seen big booms and busts. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact?

Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners – Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors.

This show is for those who are ready to ditch conventional wisdom and figure out from first principles what works for their culture, business model, and industry, with the goal of building a resilient and enduring company. You’ll come away with real guidance for seeing around corners, building enduring companies, and carving out an impactful career – plus a newly-honed bullshit detector.

Topics frequently touched on in this season include: building high performing cultures, compensation negotiation, performance reviews, company design, equity, M&As, recruiting the best talent, and how to manage your own psychology as a people leader.

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