So the NYTimes says everyone hates HR, now what?

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So the NYTimes says everyone hates HR, now what?

HR Heretics

Aug 08, 2024

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Today Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich discuss The New York Times article making waves this past week: "So Human Resources Making You Miserable". Nolan and Kelli dissect the article's claims, share their own experiences and what they're hearing from other leaders, and discuss the disconnect between HR and the rest of the org.

*Email us your questions or topics for Kelli & Nolan: hrheretics@turpentine.co

HR Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.

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LINKS:

New York Times: So, Human Resources Is Making You Miserable?:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/business/human-resources-professionals-workplace.html

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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:15) "HR Making You Miserable" Article
(01:22) HR Community Reactions & The Past Few Years
(02:43) HR vs. The Rest of Business
(06:20) Taking Ownership and Spreading the Love
(08:24) HR's Role & Shifting Expectations
(11:00) Learning from Other HR Leaders & Changing the Mindset
(13:08) Experimentation and Collaboration
(14:23) Communicating with CEOs and Setting Boundaries
(14:38) Sponsors: Metaview | Workvivo
(15:08) Training Leaders and Changing the Culture
(17:06) Relationship Debt and Resetting the Relationship
(19:32) The Power of Mentorship and External Help
(22:23) Sponsor: Planful
(22:33) The Sixth Sense & Influencing Key People
(24:54) Taking Responsibility & Shifting Your Worldview
(26:33) Resilience and Managing Emotions
(08:00) Focus on Solutions
(30:00) The Impact of Personal Well-being on Work
(31:48) Building Resilience & Prioritizing Yourself
(33:10) Wrap

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